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Post by bluejay4life on Oct 3, 2009 13:21:34 GMT -6
Last night Booker T. scored 90, that's right nine and a zero... to nothing over the Miami Wardogs.
Eric Bennett had two rushing and four passing touchdowns midway through the game, including a controversial 25-yard pass with 30 seconds left in the second quarter with the Hornets already up 69-0. His final throw put the Hornets up 76-0 at half.
At one point in the second quarter, the Hornets had 55 points on 10 plays from scrimmage.
Miami BTW First Downs 2 3 Rushes-Yards 32-17 11-204 Passing Yards 7 135 Comp-Att-Int 2-7-1 5-9-0 Punts-Avg 9-28.4. 0-0 Fumbles-Lost 2-1 0-0 Penalties-Yds 5-35 8-55
Thoughts on this route?
Should this be the prime example of why bigger schools need to adopt the mercy rule of Class B & C?
Discuss.
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Post by __BRI__ on Oct 29, 2009 17:57:39 GMT -6
kinda a delayed response, but this win against miami was comin off of BTW getting beat by tulsa kelly the previous week. BTW was obviously tryin 2 prove somethin. i remember when guthrie was up 48-0 just in the first quarter against southeast (or west) in 2007. we know rafe plays with class, and that year was a dream team. so the high scoring couldnt be helped. i dont know BTW, but judging their character by the latest headline involving the allowance ineligible players, i would say they were trying 2 make a statement here... classless even.
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Post by mayberryphoto on Nov 1, 2009 20:40:41 GMT -6
Should this be the prime example of why bigger schools need to adopt the mercy rule of Class B & C? No and I'll tell you why. There are a lot more kids on a football team in your higher classes than in B& C schools. Let's say Guthrie were beating Capitol Hill 50-0 at the half. If I were a coach, I would not want this game to end to that I could have my young 2nd and 3rd string players get some reps. If you were to install the mercy rule for 5A, how would I make this possible? This is their chance to get some playtime in front of their peers. Don't ruin it for these kids. That's my take on it.
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Post by bluejay4life on Nov 1, 2009 21:06:37 GMT -6
Should this be the prime example of why bigger schools need to adopt the mercy rule of Class B & C? No and I'll tell you why. There are a lot more kids on a football team in your higher classes than in B& C schools. Let's say Guthrie were beating Capitol Hill 50-0 at the half. If I were a coach, I would not want this game to end to that I could have my young 2nd and 3rd string players get some reps. If you were to install the mercy rule for 5A, how would I make this possible? This is their chance to get some playtime in front of their peers. Don't ruin it for these kids. That's my take on it. I understand that. However, you have to look at it from another angle. It's embarrassing. Yeah, you'll have every now and then a Capitol Hill where they're getting excited because they almost threw a hail mary even though they're down 58-0. However, what about the other 95% of the blowouts where you have a lot of personal foul, unsportsmanlike penalty calls because a team is so beaten, they're upset, they're just so pissy that they lost. You don't want things to get out of hand. As an official, the best way to keep them in line is to get off the field and keep everyone in the game. Plus, at 50-0, it's over. not coming back. Biggest comeback I've ever heard of, or witnessed myself was in 1976, I heard Moore came back against Edmond down 27-0 at half, and won 28-27. I've yet to hear anything like that before.
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Post by bluejay4life on Nov 1, 2009 21:08:15 GMT -6
kinda a delayed response, but this win against miami was comin off of BTW getting beat by tulsa kelly the previous week. BTW was obviously tryin 2 prove somethin. i remember when guthrie was up 48-0 just in the first quarter against southeast (or west) in 2007. we know rafe plays with class, and that year was a dream team. so the high scoring couldnt be helped. i dont know BTW, but judging their character by the latest headline involving the allowance ineligible players, i would say they were trying 2 make a statement here... classless even. Eh, well they had 56 points on 10 plays, coach Antwain Jimmerson said he was just trying to get some reps for his players. I don't agree with throwing it while up 69-0 though. Even Oregon took kneel downs to spare USC a bigger defeat.
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Post by mayberryphoto on Nov 1, 2009 22:03:45 GMT -6
I understand that. However, you have to look at it from another angle. It's embarrassing. Yeah, you'll have every now and then a Capitol Hill where they're getting excited because they almost threw a hail mary even though they're down 58-0. However, what about the other 95% of the blowouts where you have a lot of personal foul, unsportsmanlike penalty calls because a team is so beaten, they're upset, they're just so pissy that they lost. You don't want things to get out of hand. As an official, the best way to keep them in line is to get off the field and keep everyone in the game. Plus, at 50-0, it's over. not coming back. Biggest comeback I've ever heard of, or witnessed myself was in 1976, I heard Moore came back against Edmond down 27-0 at half, and won 28-27. I've yet to hear anything like that before. Well if the kids are getting a lot of personal fouls, that's just poor sportsmanship and discipline. I can think of kids who would never have played a varsity game in their whole career if there had been a mercy rule. I know it must suck to be part of a program such as Western Heights or Capitol Hill, but these kids train and practice so that maybe they will one day have a shot at playing a varsity game, even if it's only one or two plays. I look at it from the perspective of parents of players who are not the most athleticlaly gifted. These blowouts are really the only chance they have for some. Capitol Hill only had 13 players last year when we (Shawnee) played them. I as a player at that time felt horrible being a part of that game, but I had high respect for them for still showing up and playing hard despite their circumstances.
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Post by Chris Evans on Nov 2, 2009 9:57:02 GMT -6
Sorry guys, I did not see this thread until today.
I dont think their needs to be a 45 (mercy rule) in the larger schools.
Guthrie-Capitol Hill, Friday night, was the perfect example. A running clock and players who never get to play got some playing time on a Friday night. Also, I guarantee you the Capitol Hill kids did not want to quit. In fact, they wanted one more play to try and score, but time ran out on them.
You have to have the mercy rule in small school football because there are not enough players (numbers wise) to put in as a JV or freshmen team.
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Post by mayberryphoto on Nov 2, 2009 10:18:19 GMT -6
Sorry guys, I did not see this thread until today. I dont think their needs to be a 45 (mercy rule) in the larger schools. Guthrie-Capitol Hill, Friday night, was the perfect example. A running clock and players who never get to play got some playing time on a Friday night. Also, I guarantee you the Capitol Hill kids did not want to quit. In fact, they wanted one more play to try and score, but time ran out on them. You have to have the mercy rule in small school football because there are not enough players (numbers wise) to put in as a JV or freshmen team. Thank you so much, Chris. Somebody who sees this the way I do. The kids at Capitol Hill have a lot of heart as small as they are and that is why I have such high respect for them. The mercy rule is in B & C because they have tiny rosters compared to 5 and 6A schools. Well Chris, this must be a big week for you all. Based on how El Reno/Duncan turns out, that will determine if you have Lawton Mac or Duncan for first round. Good luck.
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Post by Chris Evans on Nov 2, 2009 11:09:44 GMT -6
That is correct and for you and the Shawnee people, I imgine your week and maybe your season just got a whole lot easier with Booker T. out of the play-off's instead of getting that second spot and potential 2nd round game with the Hornets. I think I would have had to favor BTW in that one.
Shawnee needs to get their swagger back a little. It appears the first halves have not been the best in the last 3 or so games. Is their a countdown to 6A-3 yet?
With all that said, I think Carl Albert is the team to beat in 5A once the play-off's hit. However, a tough potential 2nd round game awaits with Tulsa Kelley, who is my top ranked 5A team.
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Post by mayberryphoto on Nov 2, 2009 11:21:02 GMT -6
Shawnee needs to get their swagger back a little. It appears the first halves have not been the best in the last 3 or so games. Is their a countdown to 6A-3 yet? Ugh, no kidding. The lines need to block better considering Jordan Ac ock was shut out last week and our secondary continues to be picked apart. I'm sure things will pick up when playoffs come. Billy Brown is a very smart coach. This Shawnee team has the most heart I have seen in a long time. I think they will at least make it to the semis. It depends on how they do against the winner of the Bixby/Central game. Only one way to find out, play! I think they need to win state this year so that they can gain some momentum heading into next years 6A transition. Good luck, Guthrie.
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Post by Chris Evans on Nov 2, 2009 12:41:28 GMT -6
5A-2 has been the distirct to put out the 5A Championships since 2000 with a few exceptions with T. East Central (2005) and Booker T. (2008).
Carl Albert - 00, 01, 04, 06 Guthrie - 02, 07 Shawnee - 03
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Post by mayberryphoto on Nov 5, 2009 10:15:54 GMT -6
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Post by bluejay4life on Nov 5, 2009 17:20:06 GMT -6
Wow, That's so messed up.
And now a Jones football player is under investigation. JOnes is 7-2, and 6-0 in district. Wow, OSSAA is cracking down hard core.
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Post by mayberryphoto on Nov 6, 2009 0:04:56 GMT -6
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Post by __BRI__ on Nov 6, 2009 15:22:10 GMT -6
(TO GARY) a slight comeback i will never forget in 2002 week 3. guthrie played douglas at home. were 1-1 i believe. at halftime DOUGLAS is up 33-0 were thinkin at this point. theres no way lol, this game is done. 2nd half, guthrie goes on to score the next 31 unanswered points. about 5 secs left on the clock guthrie has the ball on the 30 yard line 2 kick a field goal, and win 34-33. unfortunately douglas blocks the kick, runs it back for a TD, winning 40-31. then as u may know, that was our last loss for that season 2002 state champs!! lol just a side note on your comeback comment lol
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